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FHB
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 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Worktrends |
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Sounds like a lot of people's expectations were a little high. Maybe the value of a college degree is a little oversold? Heck, I knew that when I got my Bachelor's degree forty years ago.
I like the following question:
Been more careful about selecting my major or chosen a different major.............. 48%
Maybe a little ruefulness over picking a feel-good major (black studies, women's studies, etc.) over one with some real-world, income-producing value. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Worktrends |
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| FHB wrote: |
Sounds like a lot of people's expectations were a little high. Maybe the value of a college degree is a little oversold? Heck, I knew that when I got my Bachelor's degree forty years ago.
I like the following question:
Been more careful about selecting my major or chosen a different major.............. 48%
Maybe a little ruefulness over picking a feel-good major (black studies, women's studies, etc.) over one with some real-world, income-producing value. |
Those that earned a Bachelor's degree in anything 40 years ago could of got a decent job if they tried. For those 48%, its easy to say After the fact about whether or not you would of been more careful about selecting a major. It is interesting you picked " black studies, women's studies, etc." as majors that in your mind don't have value. For those that tend to forget history tend to repeat it.  |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Worktrends |
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| Eyekandy wrote: | | It is interesting you picked " black studies, women's studies, etc." as majors that in your mind don't have value. For those that tend to forget history tend to repeat it. |
One man's trash is another man's treasure. You're misunderstanding my concept of value within the context of this discussion. The examples that I cited may have intrinsic value in academic circles, but have relatively little value in the everyday world, as far as being a vehicle for producing income, goods, or services. College curricula are loaded with all sorts of pseudo-sociological subject matter that have no value outside of liberal academic ivory towers, except possibly state and federal government. I suppose that, when government becomes all-pervasive, their value will increase proportionately over the more productive disciplines. By that time, no one else will be working anyway, and the role of the feds will be just to print dollar bills and pass them around. Then, nothing will be worth anything, including those dollar bills.
As for forgetting history, those that advocate ever-increasing size of government and cling to a cult of personality for their leaders, seem to forget the events post WW-I and the 1930s. Forgetting history, indeed. You might do well to remember a bit of history yourself, lest you wake up one day to find yourself hoisted with your own petard. |
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capt.dan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Worktrends |
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| FHB wrote: | | Forgetting history, indeed. You might do well to remember a bit of history yourself, lest you wake up one day to find yourself hoisted with your own petard. |
Priceless Fred. I almost pizzed myself.  Seldom see the word Petard in a sentence any more.
For your benefit kandy:
Meaning
Injured by the device that you intended to use to injure others.
Origin
The phrase 'hoist with one's own petar[d]' is often cited as 'hoist by one's own petar[d]'. The two forms mean the same, although the former is strictly a more accurate version of the original source. A petard is, or rather was, as they have long since fallen out of use, a small engine of war used to blow breaches in gates or walls. They were originally metallic and bell-shaped but later cubical wooden boxes. Whatever the shape, the significant feature was that they were full of gunpowder - basically what we would now call a bomb.
The device was used by the military forces of all the major European fighting nations by the 16th century. In French and English - petar or petard, and in Spanish and Italian - petardo.
The dictionary maker John Florio defined them like this in 1598:
"Petardo - a squib or petard of gun powder vsed to burst vp gates or doores with."
The French have the word 'péter' - to fart, which it's hard to imagine is unrelated.
Petar was part of the everyday language around that time, as in this rather colourful line from Zackary Coke in his work Logick, 1654:
"The prayers of the Saints ascending with you, will Petarr your entrances through heavens Portcullis".
Once the word is known, 'hoist by your own petard' is easy to fathom. It's nice also to have a definitive source - no less than Shakespeare, who gives the line to Hamlet, 1602:
"For tis the sport to have the enginer Hoist with his owne petar". |
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